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Vex and Brutal Strike interaction.
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#1 Jun 21, 2024
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I am looking at thehttps://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1750-2024-barbarian-vs-2014-barbarian-whats-new#Weapon_Mastery document.
For the weapon mastery it gives vex as a example and it says "This is a great way to enable Brutal Strike once you get it at level 9, so keep your Handaxes handy."
How does this interaction work I don't see anything that vex does for yourBrutal Strike.
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#2 Jun 21, 2024
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Brutal strike requires turning off advantage from reckless attack. You get advantage from vex.
So you end up gaining advantage and the Brutal Strike benefit.
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Quote from WolfOfTheBees >>
Brutal strike requires turning off advantage from reckless attack. You get advantage from vex.
So you end up gaining advantage and the Brutal Strike benefit.
It sais "Using this Brutal Strike you can forgo Advantage when you use Reckless Attack in exchange for more damage and a selection of debuffs you can impose on your enemies."
It does not say you don't get advantage fromreckless attack.
It says you forgo Advantage so you would also lose advantage from vex -
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First, that's not the rules text you are quoting. It is phrased differently in different places in that document. "Trade off Advantage when using Reckless Attack to inflict more damage and a debuff when you hit."
Second, that phrasing says you can forgo advantage when you use reckless attack, but it does not say you cannot gain advantage from other sources.
Third, and most importantly, the document tells you an interaction exists, and reading the two features, the interaction is clearly trade off one source of advantage and gain another.
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Quote from WolfOfTheBees >>
First, that's not the rules text you are quoting. It is phrased differently in different places in that document. "Trade off Advantage when using Reckless Attack to inflict more damage and a debuff when you hit."
Second, that phrasing says you can forgo advantage when you use reckless attack, but it does not say you cannot gain advantage from other sources.
Third, and most importantly, the document tells you an interaction exists, and reading the two features, the interaction is clearly trade off one source of advantage and gain another.
It might be new wording in the new edition.
But in the wording of current 5e
forgo advantage = loss of advantage from all sources
If you lose advantage from a specific source it always referredto it as you not gaining advantage from that source.I I would expect the line to be "Using this Brutal Strike you can chose not to gain Advantage from Reckless Attackin exchange for more damage and a selection of debuffs you can impose on your enemies.
But with the current wording in the document it looks like you lose all sources of advantage.
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Forgo has a defined meaning in 5e? Have some citation for that?
Anyway, the interaction is what I stated. If you aren't sure, you can wait for the real rules text.
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Quote from WolfOfTheBees >>
Forgo has a defined meaning in 5e? Have some citation for that?
Anyway, the interaction is what I stated. If you aren't sure, you can wait for the real rules text.
I am applying the same rules forForgo advantage as theXanathar's Samurai subclass and the rapid strike ability.
In all other cases where one source no longer gives advantage it is worded as not gaining advantage from that named source.
But I guess we just will have to wait and see.
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Right, one mentions the source of the advantage that you forgo, one doesn't.
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Quote from WolfOfTheBees >>
Right, one mentions the source of the advantage that you forgo, one doesn't.
ok it seems to be resolved as they just changed the text in the document to :
Using Brutal Strike, you can forgo Advantageon one of your Strength-based attacksin exchange for more damage and a selection of debuffs you can impose on your enemies. The Advanatage could be gained through Reckless Attack, or it could be enabled by attacking aProneenemy. The only condition is that you can't have Disadvantage on the roll as well.
So you can now brutal strike without goingReckless.
And with this wording vex works.Seems they forgot to change it in the level table though where it still reads
"Trade off Advantage when using Reckless Attack to inflict more damage and a debuff when you hit."Last edited by user-100025330: Jun 21, 2024
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I just saw a treantmonk video that indicated that the actual wording in the actual 2024 PHB makes it clearer than this teaser article does.
It just goes to show: maybe speculating about rules interactions based on these types of non-specifc articles about rules that don't actually give the text of those rules is not productive.
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