Pinewood Nerdy (2024)

Wood cars. An aluminum track. And lots of data.

January 23, 2020

I was not sure what to expect when my son wanted to sign up for cub scouts. But I knew, at some point, Pinewood Derby would come into the picture.

The moment came. He built a car. He raced it. And it was just as awesome as we had hoped. With so much creativity and hands-on crafting, followed by actual racing, it’s a tough experience to top.

Then I saw the data being recorded by the digital track. Now it was my turn to have some fun.

Pinewood 101

For the uninitiated, the Pinewood Derby is pretty basic: Each scout starts with a block of pine wood, four wheels, and some axles.

The block of pine can be carved, painted, and adorned with simple add-ons (picture Lego characters glued atop). But in their simplest terms, the rules dictate that you cannot modify the wheels, add any kind of propulsion, and after all modifications the car cannot exceed 5.0 ounces. You can find a ton of great info on optimizing a pinewood derby car on YouTube, so I won’t go into that here.

Once completed, the cars are placed on a sloped track where they race against three other cars at a time.

To create his car, my son chose a simple Minecraft creeper design. With a coping saw, some paint, and lead weights in hand, we got to work.

Sounds easy enough, right? It mostly is. But what really fascinates me is the sophistication of modern Pinewood Derby tracks. A digital timer automatically records the time of each racer and their car, the cars’ place in each heat, the lane each car is in, and all of this gets stored in a database. With enough associated data and numerous individual races throughout a day, there’s a lot of data to dig into.

What follows is just the tip of the iceberg. These brief statistics provide a cursory glance at data that some of the older scouts might enjoy.

The Speed of Pinewood Derby Cars

How fast do these things go, anyway? The distribution plot below shows a range of speeds from 177 mph to 229 mph, with most cars exceeding 200 mph.

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200 mph?! Well… yes. But no. The speeds recorded by the track are scaled to simulate the speeds of a normal sized car. The actual speeds hover around a more modest 10 mph.

These speeds represent a car’s average across the track too, so they do not tell the whole story. An individual car’s speed will vary from the start of the race to the finish. Due to the curvature of the track and variation among car designs, some cars will excel at the downhill section and underperform on the flat. Others might carry their speed the whole way through. Such variation across the track is not recorded (yet).

Time is Everything

Time is what really matters. As the great Ricky Bobby said: “If you ain’t first, you’re last!

Below is a chart of the average times for each racer. For anonymity, car numbers are shown instead of scout names.

Viewed in these terms, it doesn’t look like there is a lot of variation to get excited about.

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A more interesting and meaningful view shows how each racer performed against the derby average.

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Racers aren’t competing against the average, however. They’re trying to win 1st place. The following chart shows how close each racer came to that goal.

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Six tenths of a second. That is all that separates the slowest car from the fastest! Most of the competitive action happens within a quarter of a second. That’s amazing. It also shows the true value of seemingly minor considerations like where to place weights and reducing as much friction as possible.

The Big Kids Dominate, Right?

As I helped my son cut, sand, and shape his block of pine I became really curious. Will this kindergartener-cut-car be competitive against those made by much older kids?

Surely the Webelos and Arrow of Light dens full of 4th-graders would have an advantage.

As it turns out, that isn’t the case at all.

On average, each den performed similarly well. The plot below shows the spread of times across each den. The averages are incredibly close, and there is not a statistically significant relationship between time and den (F = 1.26, p=0.29).

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Notice anything in the plot above? While most dens are associated with a large range of times, the Wolves demonstrate a much tighter grouping without any outliers. All of their cars, across all heats, performed remarkably alike.

I suspect this is the result of having team-based work sessions in which the Wolves designed and built their cars in a group setting. While all of their cars were different, similar design strategies may have been discussed and employed. That’s pretty awesome! Teamwork is what scouting is all about.

If my guess is right, the Wolves set an example to be followed in this year’s derby - so much so that it shows up in the data!

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FAQs

What is the fastest Pinewood Derby time? ›

“He set the track record in NYC with a 2.93 second run, which wasn't even approached by any other car up there.” JJ's car was apparently the only car at the event to average under 3 seconds. Brewster says 3 seconds is sort of the “holy grail” of the Pinewood Derby Racing Leagues.

What is the best glue for Pinewood? ›

Due to its strong bonding capability, epoxy resin is often considered the best wood glue for many woodworking projects.

What is the Pinewood Derby tradition? ›

With the help of adults, Cub Scouts build their own unpowered, unmanned miniature cars from wood, usually from kits containing a block of pine wood, plastic wheels, and metal axles. With the popularity of the pinewood derby, other organizations have developed similar events.

What is the best design for a Pinewood Derby? ›

This is where some might differ in their approach to the Pinewood Derby. It's okay to get creative with the look and design of your car. On the flip side of that, if your main goal is speed, you'll need to keep it simple. To go fast, it's all about aerodynamics, and the best shape is a simple wedge.

What is the most important thing to make Pinewood Derby car faster? ›

Much has been written about the physics of pinewood derby cars, and this is one rare case in racing where heavy = fast. Aerodynamics have little effect in such a short race, but weight does and putting the weight at the back of the car will make your car faster on the flat of the track.

Should I glue pinewood derby axles? ›

Slide the axles and wheels onto the car and glue into place. Use an epoxy or nonresin glue, and make sure you don't get any on the surface of the axle where the wheel rides.

What type of paint is best for pinewood derby? ›

We tested over 100 different paints and selected the ones that gave the best results on Pinewood Derby cars. These high gloss acrylic paints work best if no primer or wood sealer is used - Just sand and paint. All of our paints are water based. They are non-toxic and water wash-up.

Can you add wood to a pinewood derby car? ›

Other materials such as wood, plastic or metal may be added to the original block of wood from the official kit as long as the car is within the allowed dimensions.

Why should I bake my Pinewood Derby car? ›

Bake the wooden block, usually at 250 degrees for two hours. This removes moisture, which allows you to apply weights when the block is finished. A heavier car is a faster car, but you can't go over that 5-ounce mark.

How do you tell the front of a Pinewood Derby car? ›

Which end is the front of a pinewood derby car? Either end can be the front of the car but the end of the block farthest from an axle slot gives you an advantage if it is the front of the car. The reason for this is that you can put weight farther back on the car if the rear slot is close to the end of the block.

Where do you put weight in Pinewood Derby? ›

Best Location to Weight Your Pinewood Derby Car

When deciding on where to weight your car, you should try to reach a final balance point of the car 1 inch or less in front of the rear axle. To achieve this, place 2/5 of the added weight behind the rear axle, and the remaining 3/5 in front of the rear axle.

Should you bend pinewood derby axles? ›

You will want to bend your front axle a PRECISE AMOUNT for maximum speed, ensuring the car is level front to back when racing.

Do fenders make Pinewood Derby cars faster? ›

Fenders can help efficiently direct the air around the wheels resulting in more speed. There are a few different types of fenders: Leading Edge Fenders: These fenders are placed in front of the wheels and help direct air over them, leading to a faster car.

Can you put Legos on a Pinewood Derby car? ›

Most pinewood derby rules limit the length of the car to 7" so don't add any LEGO pieces that extend past the front or back of the block. You can add LEGO pieces that make your car wider but the width should not exceed 2 3/4 inches. As a general rule, the height of your car should not be greater than 3 inches.

Who has the fastest derby time? ›

Legendary horse Secretariat boasts the fastest finish in the history of the Kentucky Derby with a time of 1:57.40. The story behind the horse was adopted into a hit Disney film in 2010. Trailing behind Secretariat is Monarchos with a time of 1:59.97.

How fast is the Pinewood Derby scale? ›

The Pinewood car hits a “top speed” of about 12MPH but when scaled for the wheel RPM this is like a full size car hitting 261MPH in the 1/8th mile! The Pinewood car runs the 30ft track in about 2.68seconds… and in truth hits top speed in the first 1/3 of the track and coasts the rest of the way.

What is the best length of Pinewood Derby track? ›

The most popular length of track is the 42ft. track followed by the 35ft. and then the 49ft. track.

How long does it take to make a Pinewood Derby car? ›

How long does it take to build a pinewood derby car? Plan on at least one day to cut and sand the car, another day to paint it and a third day to add decals and the wheels and axles.

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